i talked to one of the key guys over there and said how can i help you reform the pentagon? there must have been >> i bet congressmen love getting that call, grover norquist, how can i help? >> i start meetings that way. want to make the government more efficient, make it cost less and we are everybody's friend on that subject. ralph nader and i were lobbying the bush administration back in 2001. >> what about the second cliff, the bush tax cuts? >> i think -- you get towards the end in a thing and if the republicans have played it right, they said look, push it out a month or two weeks so you should never actually go over these things, just as you do with continuing resolutions. say, look, give it a week, two months. >> the president is not going to extend. he knows that he loses his leverage that way. >> the republicans also have other leverage. continuing resolutions on spending and the debt ceiling increase. they can give him debt ceiling increases once a month. have him on a short leash, here's your allowance. >> you are proposing that the debt ceiling be increased mont